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		<title>By: EdDC</title>
		<link>http://natsfarm.com/2008/12/03/gaming-the-arbitration-system/comment-page-1/#comment-282478</link>
		<dc:creator>EdDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;JayB:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why do you want to fire Bowden?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Did Bowden refuse to go over a set limit to sign his top draft pick, or was he given that limit?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was it Bowden&#039;s idea to make some other midnight signings on draft day only because he had freed-up money from not signing Crow, or was he given a small budget to work with?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was it Bowden&#039;s idea to only focus on international kids who would sign for the smallest bonuses? Did Bowden not see talent in the other players who had higher market value?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was it Bowden&#039;s idea only to trade for players who have small contracts, or was he given those marching orders? That&#039;s the way you stockpile young, talented players--you get quality young vets you can trade for prospects or who will give you comp picks after they finish playing for you. But Bowden never gets to sign those or trade for those. His fault?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Has it been Bowden&#039;s idea not to more aggressively lock up Zim long term?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Was it Bowden&#039;s idea to determine that he would not go over $5 million (Lo Duca) for any player in last year&#039;s free agent market?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure, Bowden has a great job and is making big bucks. But he has never worked for an organization that would enable him to reveal his talents. He seems pretty creative to me working within the Nats&#039; financial constraints--essentially the constraints of a small market team, like the Reds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would love it if someone could prove me wrong on these points (like the Lerners could do this off-season).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JayB:</p>

<p>Why do you want to fire Bowden?</p>

<p>Did Bowden refuse to go over a set limit to sign his top draft pick, or was he given that limit?</p>

<p>Was it Bowden&#8217;s idea to make some other midnight signings on draft day only because he had freed-up money from not signing Crow, or was he given a small budget to work with?</p>

<p>Was it Bowden&#8217;s idea to only focus on international kids who would sign for the smallest bonuses? Did Bowden not see talent in the other players who had higher market value?</p>

<p>Was it Bowden&#8217;s idea only to trade for players who have small contracts, or was he given those marching orders? That&#8217;s the way you stockpile young, talented players&#8211;you get quality young vets you can trade for prospects or who will give you comp picks after they finish playing for you. But Bowden never gets to sign those or trade for those. His fault?</p>

<p>Has it been Bowden&#8217;s idea not to more aggressively lock up Zim long term?</p>

<p>Was it Bowden&#8217;s idea to determine that he would not go over $5 million (Lo Duca) for any player in last year&#8217;s free agent market?</p>

<p>Sure, Bowden has a great job and is making big bucks. But he has never worked for an organization that would enable him to reveal his talents. He seems pretty creative to me working within the Nats&#8217; financial constraints&#8211;essentially the constraints of a small market team, like the Reds.</p>

<p>I would love it if someone could prove me wrong on these points (like the Lerners could do this off-season).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: JayB</title>
		<link>http://natsfarm.com/2008/12/03/gaming-the-arbitration-system/comment-page-1/#comment-281599</link>
		<dc:creator>JayB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed Brian,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you were executing the plan I would be much happier with more picks.  My point was to keep recent history alive....more picks for this front office does not mean a better team.  When do we fire Jim Bowden?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Brian,</p>

<p>If you were executing the plan I would be much happier with more picks.  My point was to keep recent history alive&#8230;.more picks for this front office does not mean a better team.  When do we fire Jim Bowden?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://natsfarm.com/2008/12/03/gaming-the-arbitration-system/comment-page-1/#comment-281546</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amazing information...absolutely amazing...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing information&#8230;absolutely amazing&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://natsfarm.com/2008/12/03/gaming-the-arbitration-system/comment-page-1/#comment-281483</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On top of that, signing these Type B players could prove to be equally, if not more, beneficial at the trade deadline. If Brad Penny could put together another seasons like he did in 2004-2007, he&#039;d be worth a couple of prospects to a contender, much more than just a #60 supplemental pick.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wish the Nats had done this with Young in 2007 and Soriano the year before.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On top of that, signing these Type B players could prove to be equally, if not more, beneficial at the trade deadline. If Brad Penny could put together another seasons like he did in 2004-2007, he&#8217;d be worth a couple of prospects to a contender, much more than just a #60 supplemental pick.</p>

<p>I wish the Nats had done this with Young in 2007 and Soriano the year before.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian Oliver</title>
		<link>http://natsfarm.com/2008/12/03/gaming-the-arbitration-system/comment-page-1/#comment-281151</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pilchard - It&#039;s not illegal. Unethical, maybe. The scenario you suggested is the risk. The players have a timeline to accept/reject it so it&#039;s not an unending deadline. Type B guys on one year deals aren&#039;t ideal, but aren&#039;t back breakers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;JayB - Of course, signing the picks they have is the first step. I just see untapped value in having two or three other top 100 picks. I like their chances of finding value when they have 5 or 6 top 100 picks instead of 2 or 3.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pilchard &#8211; It&#8217;s not illegal. Unethical, maybe. The scenario you suggested is the risk. The players have a timeline to accept/reject it so it&#8217;s not an unending deadline. Type B guys on one year deals aren&#8217;t ideal, but aren&#8217;t back breakers.</p>

<p>JayB &#8211; Of course, signing the picks they have is the first step. I just see untapped value in having two or three other top 100 picks. I like their chances of finding value when they have 5 or 6 top 100 picks instead of 2 or 3.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sue Dinem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Dinem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Take a look at the Type B&#039;s that weren&#039;t offered arbitration&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Catchers
Paul Lo Duca (37) - Type B, not offered arb
Ivan Rodriguez (37) - Type B, not offered arb
Gregg Zaun (38) - Type B, not offered arb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Infielders
Jeff Kent (41) - Type B, not offered arb
Mark Loretta (37) - Type B, not offered arb
Juan Uribe (30) - Type B, not offered arb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Left fielders
Moises Alou (42) - Type B, not offered arb
Garret Anderson (37) - Type B, not offered arb
Luis Gonzalez (41) - Type B, not offered arb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Right fielders
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - Type B, not offered arb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;DHs
Frank Thomas (41) - Type B, not offered arb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Starting pitchers
Randy Johnson (45) - Type B, not offered arb
Braden Looper (34) - Type B, not offered arb
Greg Maddux (43) - Type B, not offered arb
Brad Penny (31) - Type B, not offered arb
John Smoltz (42) - Type B, not offered arb
Randy Wolf (32) - Type B, not offered arb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Closers
Eric Gagne (33) - Type B, not offered arb
Jason Isringhausen (36) - Type B, not offered arb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Middle relievers
Luis Ayala (31) - Type B, not offered arb
Joe Beimel (32) - Type B, not offered arb
Alan Embree (39) - Type B, not offered arb
Dennys Reyes (32) - Type B, offered arb
Arthur Rhodes (39) - Type B, not offered arb
Rudy Seanez (40) - Type B, not offered arb&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;With the exception of the relievers, don&#039;t most of these guys look like Type A&#039;s from 3-5 years ago?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Take a look at the Type B&#8217;s that weren&#8217;t offered arbitration</em></p>

<p>Catchers
Paul Lo Duca (37) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Ivan Rodriguez (37) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Gregg Zaun (38) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb</p>

<p>Infielders
Jeff Kent (41) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Mark Loretta (37) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Juan Uribe (30) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb</p>

<p>Left fielders
Moises Alou (42) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Garret Anderson (37) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Luis Gonzalez (41) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb</p>

<p>Right fielders
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb</p>

<p>DHs
Frank Thomas (41) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb</p>

<p>Starting pitchers
Randy Johnson (45) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Braden Looper (34) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Greg Maddux (43) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Brad Penny (31) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
John Smoltz (42) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Randy Wolf (32) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb</p>

<p>Closers
Eric Gagne (33) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Jason Isringhausen (36) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb</p>

<p>Middle relievers
Luis Ayala (31) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Joe Beimel (32) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Alan Embree (39) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Dennys Reyes (32) &#8211; Type B, offered arb
Arthur Rhodes (39) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb
Rudy Seanez (40) &#8211; Type B, not offered arb</p>

<p><em>With the exception of the relievers, don&#8217;t most of these guys look like Type A&#8217;s from 3-5 years ago?</em></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: BinM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BinM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops - last line should have finished with ... attitude isn&#039;t best suited here.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8211; last line should have finished with &#8230; attitude isn&#8217;t best suited here.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: BinM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BinM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting concept, Brian. If a 1-yr contract yields a player of &quot;a certain age&quot; searching for the final good contract can play up to that level, great - it works.  It can backfire, however (see Pilchard&#039;s comment &amp; your reference of FLop, as well as Od.Perez / PLoD as further examples).  Management has to be VERY careful when using this strategy; I&#039;m worried that Bowden&#039;s &quot;beat the bushes &amp; gather up anything that runs toward you&quot; attitude is best suited here.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting concept, Brian. If a 1-yr contract yields a player of &#8220;a certain age&#8221; searching for the final good contract can play up to that level, great &#8211; it works.  It can backfire, however (see Pilchard&#8217;s comment &amp; your reference of FLop, as well as Od.Perez / PLoD as further examples).  Management has to be VERY careful when using this strategy; I&#8217;m worried that Bowden&#8217;s &#8220;beat the bushes &amp; gather up anything that runs toward you&#8221; attitude is best suited here.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: JayB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would it not just be simpler to sign their top draft picks and pick the best players regardless of signablitity?  The last few drafts do not seem to follow these basic rules of building.  (Crow? Ross?)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it not just be simpler to sign their top draft picks and pick the best players regardless of signablitity?  The last few drafts do not seem to follow these basic rules of building.  (Crow? Ross?)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pilchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pilchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What incentive would a player have to agree to not accept a team&#039;s offer to arbitrate?  Pretty sure that any kind of payment would violate MLB rules.  The danger is that a club offers arbitration, the player winks that he will not accept it, the market appears softer than the player anticipated, and the player decides to accept the arbitration offer.  Yipes.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What incentive would a player have to agree to not accept a team&#8217;s offer to arbitrate?  Pretty sure that any kind of payment would violate MLB rules.  The danger is that a club offers arbitration, the player winks that he will not accept it, the market appears softer than the player anticipated, and the player decides to accept the arbitration offer.  Yipes.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stebbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stebbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ala Soriano.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ala Soriano.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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