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		<title>By: natsfan1a</title>
		<link>http://natsfarm.com/2008/09/12/potomac-nationals-playoff-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-196859</link>
		<dc:creator>natsfan1a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EdDC&#039;s general comment about the number of P-Nats who were draftees at one point makes me curious as to what percentage of our minor league players were drafted by the Nats. Looking at the latest roster on the P-Nats site, it looks like the Nationals acquired not quite 2/3 of the players via the draft and acquired not quite 1/3 as free agents (with several trades being thrown in there as well). Is there any discernable trend in the farm system as to overall percentages (apologies if I&#039;ve missed a prior entry about this)?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EdDC&#8217;s general comment about the number of P-Nats who were draftees at one point makes me curious as to what percentage of our minor league players were drafted by the Nats. Looking at the latest roster on the P-Nats site, it looks like the Nationals acquired not quite 2/3 of the players via the draft and acquired not quite 1/3 as free agents (with several trades being thrown in there as well). Is there any discernable trend in the farm system as to overall percentages (apologies if I&#8217;ve missed a prior entry about this)?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mama B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mama B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you think you can drop this now?  Celebrate the P-Nats championship, and as for the rest, there&#039;s always next year.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think you can drop this now?  Celebrate the P-Nats championship, and as for the rest, there&#8217;s always next year.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EdDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regardless of how stupid and greedy the idiot agents were (and management always paints them that way), the deal came down to:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;$4 million, do you want to sign or not? The Nats chose &quot;not.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sometimes you have to just remove all the talk about who was the nastier and most abusive and just stick to the facts. Should you take the deal or not? I just think of it as a business strategy that failed for the agent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a fan, I say spend the money--but that&#039;s only because i want to see a winner in this town, and have seen short-sighted owners here in the past, going all the way back to Clark and Calvin Griffith.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, a lot of other fans say: &quot;Protect the wealth of the owners as the top priority.&quot; I also can see the point of rooting for the balance sheet, which has a lot of charm and excitement too! Just depends where your priorities are.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of how stupid and greedy the idiot agents were (and management always paints them that way), the deal came down to:</p>

<p>$4 million, do you want to sign or not? The Nats chose &#8220;not.&#8221;</p>

<p>Sometimes you have to just remove all the talk about who was the nastier and most abusive and just stick to the facts. Should you take the deal or not? I just think of it as a business strategy that failed for the agent.</p>

<p>As a fan, I say spend the money&#8211;but that&#8217;s only because i want to see a winner in this town, and have seen short-sighted owners here in the past, going all the way back to Clark and Calvin Griffith.</p>

<p>Of course, a lot of other fans say: &#8220;Protect the wealth of the owners as the top priority.&#8221; I also can see the point of rooting for the balance sheet, which has a lot of charm and excitement too! Just depends where your priorities are.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That only makes sense if you think Crow&#039;s agents were trying very hard at all to make this happen. They didn&#039;t answer their phone or return messages. To quote Boswell, these guys were complete idiots.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That only makes sense if you think Crow&#8217;s agents were trying very hard at all to make this happen. They didn&#8217;t answer their phone or return messages. To quote Boswell, these guys were complete idiots.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EdDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s OK to buy the Nats&#039; spin. They do make some sense about how mistreated they were by Crow and his agent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact is that Crow could have been signed for $4 million and the Nats passed. We won&#039;t know if this was a good move or not for at least a couple years. You could be right that the Nats should have passed, and many others could be right that the Nats should have stepped up and signed Crow at the last minute.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A lot of it depends on how much confidence you have in the Nats&#039; organization and their willingness to spend the money to bring DC a winner. I sure have my doubts about this.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s OK to buy the Nats&#8217; spin. They do make some sense about how mistreated they were by Crow and his agent.</p>

<p>The fact is that Crow could have been signed for $4 million and the Nats passed. We won&#8217;t know if this was a good move or not for at least a couple years. You could be right that the Nats should have passed, and many others could be right that the Nats should have stepped up and signed Crow at the last minute.</p>

<p>A lot of it depends on how much confidence you have in the Nats&#8217; organization and their willingness to spend the money to bring DC a winner. I sure have my doubts about this.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bangzoom</title>
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		<dc:creator>bangzoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Think about it this way... If you were Crow, and you were confident you could make it to the big leagues with any organization, would you REALLY want to play for the Nationals? We&#039;ve been over this... while it might not be COMPLETELY the Nats&#039; fault, if Crow wasn&#039;t going to sign, the scouts/front office should&#039;ve known better than to draft him.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, I hope JimBow enjoys the 3rd light-hitting middle infielder he traded for (Alberto Gonzalez)... he gave up Jhonny Nunez, who has been lights-out as a reliever with Trenton, just like he was as soon as he went to the bullpen in the Nats&#039; system. Not sure how Nunez will be as a big-leaguer, but I really didn&#039;t see the point of trading for THREE middle INF when we had just re-signed Cristian Guzman.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about it this way&#8230; If you were Crow, and you were confident you could make it to the big leagues with any organization, would you REALLY want to play for the Nationals? We&#8217;ve been over this&#8230; while it might not be COMPLETELY the Nats&#8217; fault, if Crow wasn&#8217;t going to sign, the scouts/front office should&#8217;ve known better than to draft him.</p>

<p>Also, I hope JimBow enjoys the 3rd light-hitting middle infielder he traded for (Alberto Gonzalez)&#8230; he gave up Jhonny Nunez, who has been lights-out as a reliever with Trenton, just like he was as soon as he went to the bullpen in the Nats&#8217; system. Not sure how Nunez will be as a big-leaguer, but I really didn&#8217;t see the point of trading for THREE middle INF when we had just re-signed Cristian Guzman.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sue Dinem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Dinem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Couldn&#039;t agree with you more, especially the part about Crow losing the most. I certainly hope, though, that other kids were paying attention and will think twice before signing with his &quot;agents.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree with you more, especially the part about Crow losing the most. I certainly hope, though, that other kids were paying attention and will think twice before signing with his &#8220;agents.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Todd Boss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Boss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you guys followed along with the Aaron Crow saga, read Bowden&#039;s account and listened to his radio interview a couple weeks back, you&#039;d understand why he didn&#039;t sign with the nationals.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They asked for $9M to start, a patently ridiculous number for the #9 overall pick, they refused to visit DC or take phone calls from the team, demanded a MLB deal, continued to demand more money than players taken before him.  But according to Crow himself, it was obvious he didn&#039;t want to play for our team from the onset and that&#039;s the real reason they made negotiations so ridiculous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Crow and his advisors are absolute idiots for this; he loses a year of development, won&#039;t get drafted as high next year so will get offered even less money, won&#039;t get a MLB deal as a result, and has no leverage against the drafting team to go back to finish his senior year since he stupidly signed a deal w/ the independent league.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you guys followed along with the Aaron Crow saga, read Bowden&#8217;s account and listened to his radio interview a couple weeks back, you&#8217;d understand why he didn&#8217;t sign with the nationals.</p>

<p>They asked for $9M to start, a patently ridiculous number for the #9 overall pick, they refused to visit DC or take phone calls from the team, demanded a MLB deal, continued to demand more money than players taken before him.  But according to Crow himself, it was obvious he didn&#8217;t want to play for our team from the onset and that&#8217;s the real reason they made negotiations so ridiculous.</p>

<p>Crow and his advisors are absolute idiots for this; he loses a year of development, won&#8217;t get drafted as high next year so will get offered even less money, won&#8217;t get a MLB deal as a result, and has no leverage against the drafting team to go back to finish his senior year since he stupidly signed a deal w/ the independent league.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sue Dinem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Dinem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And your point is?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And your point is?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EdDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, sometimes you have to take the risk to draft pitchers so that you get a pitcher in your farm system:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;Proper Name: Jordan M. Zimmermann
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Born: May 23, 1986 in Auburndale, Wis.
High School:
College: Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Ht.: 6-2 Wt.: 200
Bats: R Throws: R
2008 Pitching Statistics
Club (League)   Class   W   L   ERA G   GS  CG  SV  IP  H   R   ER  HR  BB  SO  WP  BB/9    SO/9    AVG WHIP
Potomac (CAR)   HiA 3   1   1.65    5   4   0   1   27.1    15  6   5   1   8   31  0   2.63    10.21   .167    0.84
Harrisburg (EL) AA  7   2   3.21    20  20  0   0   106.2   89  42  38  9   39  103 2   3.29    8.69    .226    1.20
Minor League Totals 10  3   2.89    25  24  0   1   134.0   104 48  43  10  47  134 2   3.16    9.00    .215    1.13&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sometimes you have to take the risk to draft pitchers so that you get a pitcher in your farm system:</p>

<p><pre><code>Proper Name: Jordan M. Zimmermann
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<p>Born: May 23, 1986 in Auburndale, Wis.
High School:
College: Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Ht.: 6-2 Wt.: 200
Bats: R Throws: R
2008 Pitching Statistics
Club (League)   Class   W   L   ERA G   GS  CG  SV  IP  H   R   ER  HR  BB  SO  WP  BB/9    SO/9    AVG WHIP
Potomac (CAR)   HiA 3   1   1.65    5   4   0   1   27.1    15  6   5   1   8   31  0   2.63    10.21   .167    0.84
Harrisburg (EL) AA  7   2   3.21    20  20  0   0   106.2   89  42  38  9   39  103 2   3.29    8.69    .226    1.20
Minor League Totals 10  3   2.89    25  24  0   1   134.0   104 48  43  10  47  134 2   3.16    9.00    .215    1.13</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dian</title>
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		<dc:creator>dian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and its jerry browne with an &quot;E&quot; on the end of his name&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and its jerry browne with an &#8220;E&#8221; on the end of his name</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sue Dinem</title>
		<link>http://natsfarm.com/2008/09/12/potomac-nationals-playoff-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-194183</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Dinem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EdDC - Since you missed the litote, let me restate it more plainly: &lt;em&gt;I agree with you that the Nationals should spend more than they did on the draft.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, I disagree that it was that big a loss to miss out on a college pitcher. Again, since the nuance was lost on you, I&#039;ll restate: I&#039;m not against drafting college pitchers, but it&#039;s extremely risky because they are very likely to get hurt. Why? Because they are often overused (read: they throw a lot of pitches in a short period of time), especially in the higher-echelon..er, big-time programs.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EdDC &#8211; Since you missed the litote, let me restate it more plainly: <em>I agree with you that the Nationals should spend more than they did on the draft.</em></p>

<p>However, I disagree that it was that big a loss to miss out on a college pitcher. Again, since the nuance was lost on you, I&#8217;ll restate: I&#8217;m not against drafting college pitchers, but it&#8217;s extremely risky because they are very likely to get hurt. Why? Because they are often overused (read: they throw a lot of pitches in a short period of time), especially in the higher-echelon..er, big-time programs.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: EdDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sue,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You mention the O&#039;s. I keep thinking how they spent $6 million the draft before on a catcher, while the Nats passed on their first rounder this year for $2 million less.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you assume the kids are not very good or durable, then why bother with the draft? I&#039;ll be glad to get over it, when the Lerners reassure the fans that their Plan is alive and well, and that they were just kidding this year with their little budgets for signing draftees.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You say no team signs all their picks. The Nats actually chose LAST this year of all the MLB teams, if you throw away the first rounder (which they did). The Yankees did not sign their first rounder either, but they had a sandwich round pick, so even they chose higher than the Nats. That&#039;s no way to dig out of a big hole in the farm system!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The P-Nats were draftees at one point, or most of them were, I guess. Good thing!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue,</p>

<p>You mention the O&#8217;s. I keep thinking how they spent $6 million the draft before on a catcher, while the Nats passed on their first rounder this year for $2 million less.</p>

<p>If you assume the kids are not very good or durable, then why bother with the draft? I&#8217;ll be glad to get over it, when the Lerners reassure the fans that their Plan is alive and well, and that they were just kidding this year with their little budgets for signing draftees.</p>

<p>You say no team signs all their picks. The Nats actually chose LAST this year of all the MLB teams, if you throw away the first rounder (which they did). The Yankees did not sign their first rounder either, but they had a sandwich round pick, so even they chose higher than the Nats. That&#8217;s no way to dig out of a big hole in the farm system!</p>

<p>The P-Nats were draftees at one point, or most of them were, I guess. Good thing!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Fake Mark Lerner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fake Mark Lerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;::pats Ms. Dinem on head::&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;::ponders $ that could be made by selling championship t-shirts::&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>::pats Ms. Dinem on head::</p>

<p>::ponders $ that could be made by selling championship t-shirts::</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sue Dinem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Dinem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t disagree that the Nats ought to be a little less tight-fisted, but throwing money at an unproven college pitcher isn&#039;t the best use of it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We didn&#039;t get Aaron Crow. Get over it. No team signs all its draft picks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Need I also remind folks, that it ain&#039;t just about spending money? Ask any O&#039;s fan and they&#039;ll tell you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree that the Nats ought to be a little less tight-fisted, but throwing money at an unproven college pitcher isn&#8217;t the best use of it.</p>

<p>We didn&#8217;t get Aaron Crow. Get over it. No team signs all its draft picks.</p>

<p>Need I also remind folks, that it ain&#8217;t just about spending money? Ask any O&#8217;s fan and they&#8217;ll tell you.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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