Dipoto Versus Rizzo


Chris Needham at NBC Washington has a solid take on this whole situation.

  1. #1 by Dick - August 19th, 2009 at 11:53

    Wouldn’t a more ’solid’ take on this be, ’so far no one besides Yahoo sports is reporting this’. Not ESPN, not SI, not WaPo, not WaTi, not MLB, not nobody. Yes, some of these other sites, but by no means all of them, are reporting that Yahoo is reporting that Eades heard a couple of people say something. How come Heyman, Olney, Gammons, et. al. aren’t confirming it? Not even Bill Ladson, crack reporter that he is, can confirm it!

    I ain’t buying it until either 1) the Nats announce it or 2) at least somebody else with a credible reputation confirms it. For all we know, Eades source is Bowden.

    The best source I’ve found for stuff like this is Brian, himself. He was the first to report the Strasburg deal was done! Brian, what are you hearing?

  2. #2 by Brian Oliver - August 19th, 2009 at 11:57

    I saw this from Danny Knobler of CBSSports … http://tinyurl.com/nj2gv8

    “DiPoto has told friends in Arizona that he plans to accept the job”

  3. #3 by hleeo3 - August 19th, 2009 at 12:01

    The Nats FO seems awfully quiet with a rumor like this flying around. So it could very well be true. Heyman has been saying Dipoto being the leading candidate for weeks. It sucks cause it seems like they are hanging him out to dry, big time.

  4. #4 by Dick - August 19th, 2009 at 12:09

    Another thought, didn’t DiPoto replace Rizzo when he left the Snakes to come to DC?

    I wish the Knobler quote had included the words ‘if offered’; ‘when offered’ or ’since they just offered it to me’.

  5. #5 by Cole - August 19th, 2009 at 12:26

    This from Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus:

    You see all that young talent in Arizona? That was assembled during the watch of Mike Rizzo. Notice how the talent well has dried up a bit for the Diamondbacks? That’s no coincidence, either. The fact that Rizzo, one of the most respected men in the industry and one of the best evaluators of young players both within his own organization and others, has yet to be named the permanent general manager in Washington is laughable, and letting him go would potentially be as damaging to the organization as any player-related move.

  6. #6 by Pilchard - August 19th, 2009 at 12:59

    Wow, harsh sauce from BP, but seems on point.

    Based upon my limited exposure to the Arizona D-backs organization, that was my thought. The D-backs were loaded with talent at the time Rizzo departed (not familiar enough with the interworkings of that organization to know whether Rizzo gets all the credit for that). Since Rizzo has left, the D-backs from an organizational development prospective seem to be in a major decline (trading 5 of your top 10 prospects for Dan Haren will do that).

    Other than a 10,000 foot view (which favors Rizzo), very had to assess whether Dipoto or Rizzo would make more sense for the long-term interests of the Nats, but I hope (but doubt) that once the decision is official, the Lerners or Kasten give a detailed explanation for the choice that was made.

  7. #7 by ckstevenson - August 19th, 2009 at 13:05

    Given the WaTi item saying Rizzo will really only be replaced if Kasten is leaving, and someone is reporting that Rizzo is being replaced, shouldn’t we also be asking “Who is replacing Stan Kasten?”

    And is there a possibility it is Mike Rizzo? If not, who else is on the short list to replace Kasten?

  8. #8 by Brian Oliver - August 19th, 2009 at 13:07

    ck – That is a possibility

    Kasten steps back some. Rizzo assumes baseball operations responsibilities. Dipoto comes in as Scouting/PD

    Just a guess

  9. #9 by Dick - August 19th, 2009 at 13:21

    Brian, I don’t follow you. You mean Rizzo becomes President? Or assumes some new position like Chief of Baseball Operations and DiPoto becomes GM? That still leaves VP Player Personnel open.

  10. #10 by Brian H. - August 19th, 2009 at 13:24

    One quick thought: a great scouting/PD guy – as was Rizzo’s rep at AZ (still too early here) – doesn’t NECESSARILY make a great GM. I have seen comments in the media that Rizzo isn’t pefect in a face-the-media capacity, for example. Also not clear how much of the SS signing was Rizzo vs Kasten (though his decent Boras relationship certainly didn’t hurt at all).

    Obviously would be ideal if we could have both Rizzo and “Dippy” (and Kasten too, of course). If Dipoto were brought in as GM, per reports, any chance Rizzo would stick around as Head of Scouting/PD — and maybe a couple other things to add to his resume – maybe with a title of “Associate GM/Scouting Dir.”??

    I like Brian’s “guess” above – keeping all three with Rizzo senior to DiPoto. But what then is the incentive for DiPoto to make that move? The NBC Washington linked article says he’s very well thought of and apparently has been a candidate for a couple GM jobs.

  11. #11 by Brian Oliver - August 19th, 2009 at 13:31

    Dick – Kasten focuses on business operations but moves away from baseball side. Rizzo becomes the John Schuerholz type baseball operations leader. Dipoto becomes the scouting/PD guy … Frank Wren-esque?

    The question is why Dipoto would do that. Money?

  12. #12 by Pilchard - August 19th, 2009 at 14:01

    FWIW, could care less if Stan Kasten left the Nats. I don’t think he brings much to the table. Even if his role is limited to PR type of stuff, he has made his fair share of gaffes and don’t see him being particularly effective given the amount that I assume he is being paid.

    Put another way, if Stan Kasten left the Nats tomorrow, I don’t think that Nats long term future would suffer any adverse impact.

  13. #13 by VladiHondo - August 19th, 2009 at 14:01

    I’m firmly in the DiPoto camp – Rizzo was the one who decided on our initial craptastci bullpen – he keep all the stiffs who had no options, instead of the best pitchers. Rizzo made us suffer through Wil Ledezma, Kip Wells, and tortured us with Logan Kensing (TWICE!!). Let me say Julian Tavarez. Ha, made ya flinch!

    He was too quick with judgements – dumps Shell about his “aura” after he’s pitched 5 whole innings. Think Hinckley was let go too early. He’s sent down and called up Bergmann twice, when he allowed 0 runs in ST. I think he panicked and dealt Gascanrahan too soon, his BABIP was WAY too high, bound to come down.

  14. #14 by Dick - August 19th, 2009 at 14:09

    ESPN says the Dipoto rumor is false.

  15. #15 by Sec 204 Row H Seat 7 - August 19th, 2009 at 14:12

    From NATS Journal–three posters citing Keith Law at ESPN stating that original Yahoo Report is FALSE!! Vladi, I agree with your assessment most of the time, but Hinckley is doing what, where,?; Kensing was light out in AAA and deserved a 2nd chance, Hanrahan too soon? you got to be kidding, he is not working out for Pitt, also the stage for the first half of the season was set by Jimbo and took some time to undo what he had done.

  16. #16 by Chris - August 19th, 2009 at 14:16

    VladiHondo :I’m firmly in the DiPoto camp – Rizzo was the one who decided on our initial craptastci bullpen – he keep all the stiffs who had no options, instead of the best pitchers. Rizzo made us suffer through Wil Ledezma, Kip Wells, and tortured us with Logan Kensing (TWICE!!). Let me say Julian Tavarez. Ha, made ya flinch! He was too quick with judgements – dumps Shell about his “aura” after he’s pitched 5 whole innings. Think Hinckley was let go too early. He’s sent down and called up Bergmann twice, when he allowed 0 runs in ST. I think he panicked and dealt Gascanrahan too soon, his BABIP was WAY too high, bound to come down.

    What has DiPoto done to make you so quick to slob his knob? Arizona is horrible right now under his watch.

  17. #17 by hleeo3 - August 19th, 2009 at 14:23

    I think Steven Shell is in the Mariners AA club. Meaning his aura sucked. It takes time to evaluate pitchers, you can’t judge based off of one appearance especially young pitchers cause they are constantly making adjustments while the vets are typically consistent.

    Ledezma wasn’t with us that long. Wells and Tavarez started out “average” but as the season worn on they started doing bad. Kensing is interesting cause he has shown good stuff but it is getting too much bat. This bullpen is much better than earlier in the season.

  18. #18 by ThatsRich - August 19th, 2009 at 14:52

    Chico’s new report over at NJ is encouraging, suggesting that Rizzo’s chances are better than the Yahoo! report makes out.

    This is a little off-topic, but I got wondering about deadline deals generally, after thinking about Rizzo on the phone to Boras at 11:58:43pm. I wonder if anyone could explain physically how these deadline deals get finished.

    Specifically, when the two sides strike the verrbal deal right against the deadline, say with 77 seconds left, they’ve got to reduce a somewhat complicated multi-year payout to writing, capture any other terms that were negotiated, such as a major-league deal, agreed spring training invites, September callups, scholarships to Stanford, no-trade clauses (not likely for a draftee, but there are other deadline deals too), options, buyouts, etc. Then they’ve got to make sure both sides think it’s right, and fax the product into the Commissioner’s office.

    All with only a few seconds to go before the deadline.

    This is probably a rookie question, but how does all that happen so quickly?

  19. #19 by Brian Oliver - August 19th, 2009 at 14:56

    I believe there is a computer system they enter the basic parameters of the deal in. Not sure how detailed it is

  20. #20 by Craig - August 19th, 2009 at 15:07

    Brian, could it be that MLB will accept the basic parameters of the deal, specifically money, knowing that the i dotting and t crossing parts of the contract will be submitted after 12am?

  21. #21 by Dick - August 19th, 2009 at 15:13

    Recalling some of the discussion about Alvarez, I believe the league has to receive a fax of the agreement in a reasonable amount of time after midnight. I think Alvarez’ documents got there around 12:15 or so.

    It is triangulation to a degree, the team has to say they agreed before midnight, the agent has to say they agreed before midnight and the league needs documentation that allows them to reasonably assume that both parties agreed in time and took a few minutes to document and fax the final agreement. Besides, if you agree with Boras at 12:01, he’ll get the agreement voided and his client declared a free agent.

  22. #22 by Wallyball - August 19th, 2009 at 15:50

    I like Mike Rizzo, and would probably give him the job, but it is by no means a slam dunk. I think that the Needham article that Brian linked to is right on point. On personnel evaluations, he generally seems right, especially when you acknowledge that it is a batting average kind of thing, not a 100% hit rate (meaning that I think that he bears some responsibility for a number of the recent draft picks not developing like we hoped). He strikes me as having a philosophy like the Minn Twins, which is fine. His dealings with Boras and Co show that he can operate in the 21st century. So substantively, pretty good.

    On the other hand, Chris is correct that he has needlessly badmouthed players, which serves no purpose that I can see other than to get some of us fans to feel like we are simpatico with him. He also has, in the past, engaged in some hyperbole a la Jimbo (I think he said something like Kip Wells passed his physical ‘in every way imaginable’). I don’t see the point in alienating players like that, even one who is not performing. And he does not seem comfortable with the interview process. Maybe these are just growing pains for him.

    So he seems like substance over style, which is why I would probably give him the job, but a GM is usually the most public face of the organization and making errors there could impact how the organization is viewed, especially by players.

  23. #23 by Wallyball - August 19th, 2009 at 15:53

    Brian – I am not sure if you were advocating it or just speculating, but if Rizzo was GM and DiPoto SD/PD, wouldn’t you worry that it would be contrary to your consistent point (which I have agreed with) that Kasten ought to pick the GM, and then let him hire everyone else in the organization? I would worry a little bit that Rizzo would be looking over his shoulder at DiPoto.

  24. #24 by Brian Oliver - August 19th, 2009 at 16:33

    Wally – Perhaps. Unless Rizzo is the one advocating for Dipoto. It just seems odd that the story comes out and there hasn’t been more of a response from the Nationals. They went through this earlier this year with Manny Acta and I think they waited too long to address the reports.

  25. #25 by Cole - August 19th, 2009 at 17:30

    One of the guys on the John Thompson show contacted the Nats. The Nats employee acknowledged that Dipoto is coming, but also said not to assume that Rizzo would be gone. He didn’t say what type of job Rizzo might be offered.

  26. #26 by Andrew Stebbins - August 19th, 2009 at 17:56

    Brian Oliver :

    I believe there is a computer system they enter the basic parameters of the deal in. Not sure how detailed it is

    Yeah, you can email or fax contract details to the commissioner’s office. The agent notifies the union if it’s a major league contract.

  27. #27 by Ric - August 19th, 2009 at 18:07

    The fact that legitimate reporters can be quoting multiple sources in 100% opposite directions shows to me that the rumors of factions and in-fighting in the front office are totally accurate. The Lerners have to take charge. It seems like a good case could be made for any of the three candidates – they should make their decision and let that person instill their own team all the way down to the bottom, as quickly as possible.

  28. #28 by NG - August 19th, 2009 at 18:36

    While Needham is right that the Nats have to pick the best guy, I just don’t see how you can make a case that Dipoto should replace Rizzo.

    If Rizzo had never taken the assistant/interim GM job here, we’d be talking about two guys with exactly the same credential: both were VP of player development for the Diamondbacks. The evidence seems pretty clear that Rizzo did a better job in that capacity than Dipoto has.

    While there might be individual nits to pick with Rizzo here, he has at least on net been successful in DC. Does anyone seriously think his tenure here should make him less of a candidate? If that’s true, then he’s way ahead of Dipoto .

    That said, if Dipoto is coming here to work with Rizzo, and both are on board, then let the celebrating begin.

  29. #29 by VladiHondo - August 19th, 2009 at 20:12

    Chris :
    VladiHondo :I’m firmly in the DiPoto camp . . . .

    What has DiPoto done to make you so quick to slob his knob? Arizona is horrible right now under his watch.

    Thanks for your “deep” insight! Bet the 7th grade girls all think you’re so cute! Please tweet your BFF Rizzo how much you love him, maybe he’ll agree to be your BFF, too!

  30. #30 by Chris - August 19th, 2009 at 20:34

    VladiHondo :
    Chris :
    VladiHondo :I’m firmly in the DiPoto camp . . . .
    What has DiPoto done to make you so quick to slob his knob? Arizona is horrible right now under his watch.
    Thanks for your “deep” insight! Bet the 7th grade girls all think you’re so cute! Please tweet your BFF Rizzo how much you love him, maybe he’ll agree to be your BFF, too!

    Ha, nicely done Vladi. My post was pretty childish, even if it was made in jest. For that, I apologize. Seriously though, why the love fest with Dipoto?

  31. #31 by Rich - August 19th, 2009 at 21:30

    “I was told by a Nats’ official at spring training following the departure of Jim Bowden that, once the season was over, there would be some restructuring of the front office. Titles and responsibilities would change, as would some of the faces; some of the Cincinnati guys brought in by JimBo had contracts that would expire after the ‘09 season and would receive lovely parting gifts, including the home version of the game.”

    http://masnsports.com/2009/08/wheres-mikes-reward.html#comments

    I think this suggests that some people in the front office know that their jobs are gone if Rizzo sticks around. Not that I really know, but it seems likely. On the other hand I just want the best person for the job and I readily admit that I have no idea who that is, although Kevin Goldstein’s argument is persuasive.

  32. #32 by Rich - August 19th, 2009 at 21:31

    That’s a quote from Phil Wood

  33. #33 by Dick - August 19th, 2009 at 22:01

    Ladson is reporting Rizzo to be named at a press conference tomorrow.

  34. #34 by estuartj - August 19th, 2009 at 22:26

    Maybe Rizzo leaked the Dipoto story to give him leverage to get his formal naming and contract done fast, the team didn’t want to have this mess up the Strasburg feel good moment. Careful Stan, you may be the “proud papa”, but that skill works both ways!

  35. #35 by peric - August 19th, 2009 at 23:22

    AZ with Rizzo, AZ after Rizzo. The comparison appears to be striking whether you dislike Rizzo’s faux pas or not? And Morgan, tell me how Pittsburgh was giving him any kind of real chance with McLouth, McCutheon and now their new fair haired boy Milledge?

  36. #36 by Craig - August 19th, 2009 at 23:40

    If Rizzo is indeed the GM now, that is very good news to me. This week of adding Strasburg and naming Rizzo the GM, answers some credibility and stability issues that have been plagued the Nats.

  37. #37 by Bill Wagner - August 23rd, 2009 at 12:50

    Well so much for that solid take. Glad it’s Rizzo!!!!!

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